Meeting notes

November 15, 2010

• New machine is up, prefetchers switched off
  • 2MB huge pages enabled, we think we know how to use them.
  • (old P4 Xeon cluster is alive again, too)

• Brandon reran linked list traversal on new machine
  • Single socket max BW is what we expect
  • Single socket BW seems to plateau between 24-36 outstanding misses, no matter which way we slice it. (2 threads, 12 misses, or 12 threads, 2 misses)
  • This fits with our model of the processor (at most 32 slots in global queue for local reads)
  • This leads us back to the SIMD idea: with a 12-thread or 16-thread processor, 2-way static SIMD might be enough to saturate bandwidth without context switching.
  • todo: reslice data to show max bandwith by total outstanding requests
  • todo: want to see BW for a single thread all the way to 50 concurrent misses, to verify there is a pleateau
  • two-socket bandwidth is not what we expect (same as single socket). Suspicion: numa layout not behaving how we expect. Will explore further.

• mark suggests, if we want to avoid TLB problems altogether:
  • limit linux to 1g, set up page map, and manage rest of memory yourself (done by gridiron systems)

• Jacob is grafting timing model into a cache simulator to help explain Andrew's code.
• Andrew is investigating his code

November 8, 2010

• Andrew discussed his context switching approach
• he sees speedups, but not what simon expected
• next step: explain where speedups are coming from

November 1, 2010

• looked at poster made last week for affiliates
  • interesting conversations with facebook---follow up in future

• convey training
  • fpgas sit on front-side bus. seems like it could be useful.

• talked to allan porterfield about pchase bandwidth limits
  • he feels the bottleneck is dram page switching times

• linked list traversal status
  • modified allocator to minimize tlb refills. this gives us similar results to pchase
  • we max out at 60% of theoretical peak bandwidth
  • this requires ~6 concurrent requests with 4 threads, or ~3 concurrent requests with 8 threads
  • global queue contention is minimal at this level
  • latencies vary from ~30ns to ~100ns at peak bandwidth

• XMT node can issue ~100M memory ops/s to network---is there a commodity interconnect that can give this kind of rate?

• andrew is still working on a graph benchmark

• discussed static scheduling instead of context switches
  • if we need only a few outstanding requests, this might be simpler
  • for the single socket case, seems reasonable
  • for multi-node, thread model has benefits

• next time
  • andrew will have some sort of graph benchmark, and will discuss his approach
  • brandon/jacob will have a more solid idea of where our bottleneck is

October 25, 2010

• discussed porterfield paper
  • they use pchase, a linked list traversal microbenchmark like we've discussed
  • they run on quad core xeon like ours, with more memory
  • they get about 54% of theoretical peak. why?

• Kyle Wheeler, qthreads developer was here
  • he shared some new context switch code that should be faster

October 18, 2010

• jase was here
  • discussed synchronization using microcode modification

October 4, 2010

Current progress:

• Brandon investigated potential performance limiters in Nehalem, and an ARM
  • nehalem allows 10 outstanding data misses per core
  • 32 outstanding L3/memory loads? 16 outstanding L3/memory stores?
  • 8 outstanding prefetches? The docs weren't clear about prefetches.
  • The ARM Brandon looked at (don't remember which) allows something like 3 outstanding misses per core.
• Jacob is still looking at benchmarks/applications. Jacob checked some into a new Git repository; he'll send a pointer.
• Andrew is still looking at minimal context switches and Qthreads

Issues to watch out for:

• if stacks are aligned, L1 associativity may cause problems

Current thoughts on methodology:

• we'll take 2.5 approaches:
  • what's a lower bound on performance?
    • (basically, build a system and make it run faster)
    • write some benchmarks using green threads packages
    • hack benchmarks, green threads packages for more preformance
  • what's an upper bound on performance? What limits it?
    • First, "guess" at likely performance limiters in available hardware
      • build some synthetic kernels to exercise what we think are performance limiters
      • then, use performance counters to validate that limiters are behaving as we expect
    • Then, validate that these limiters are actually the problem.
      • Given a particular memory hierarchy (cache structure, link bandwidths/latencies, queue sizes), how fast can we execute a particular memory trace?
      • capture memory trace from benchmark on real system
      • find cache parameters, link bandwidths/latencies, queue sizes for real system
      • modify memory hierarchy model (Ruby or Sesc?) to match this system
      • replay memory trace through model, verifying that we get similar event counts to real hardware.
      • expand limiting parameters. do we get a speedup? If so, we were right about limit.
      • repeat until parameters are absurd. what's a reasonable design (set of parameters) that gives good performance?

Next steps:

• keep thinking about methodology. Jacob and Simon will talk more.
• experiment with performance counters on Nehalem system to validate info in docs. how many outstanding memory requests per core? per chip?
• continue exploring applications and benchmarks.
• continue exploring green threads, minimal context switch.

Other questions to answer:

• what platforms should we buy?
• investigate potential talks?
  • jace? (extended memory semantics)
  • qthreads guy?

September 30, 2010

Current progress:

• We can get accounts on the PNNL XMT; Simon sent out an email.
• An XMT simulator is also available.
• Simon created a wiki for the project and sent account details to everybody.
• Simon has been trying to get details of applications from various people, but has not yet been successful. Graph connectivity is the basic area. There is an effort to create a graph benchmark: http://www.graph500.org/, with source graph 500 git repository

Thoughts on methodology:

• We should target an abstract model, not the real ISA.
• We will focus on performance for a single node for now.
• It may be possible to modify processor microcode. Could that be useful?
• Some questions we're interested in exploring:
  • How many thread contexts can we run concurrently on a modern Xeon before memory performance degrades?
  • What resource constraints in existing processors limit our performance?
  • Could we take a trace of memory operations, filter out stack references, and replay these into a simple architectural simulator to explore what resources are necessary to get performance?

We'll explore a couple angles immediately:

• look at green threads packages: Andrew is doing this already.
• look at applications/benchmarks: Jacob will start here.
• look at resource constraints in Intel and Arm (maybe AMD): Brandon is looking into this.